all they are worried about is the big prize for the guess what, it is done and over with. accept it. host: that is brad from minnesota. let's hear from one more call it coming here for our guest. matt is on the independent line, go ahead. caller: thank you, let's leave aside the fact that hillary has committed perjury by lying to congress and obstructing justice. that is put aside because we all know she is above the law. two points that are pertinent here that you the trouble with the voters on, number one she is against school choice for poor, inner-city. number two, she supports this failed president's sanctuary city policy which alerts convicted felons, by the way,

thousands of which obama has -- allows them to roam free. host: all right, matthew i think we hear your point. zoe, would you like to respond? guest: first about the e-mails, i guess i would ask the caller and others, do they think the fbi is incompetent or corrupt? if she really committed legal -- illegal acts it is a critique of the fbi if the caller really think she did something so illegal. there is a mismatch there. guest: they absolutely think the fbi bungled this. guest: right, but there was a critique a reluctance to critique law enforcement and the fbi which i think it's interesting. on the question of whether this is all over at this point, i think it is too soon to say

that. i do think he has a point about the down ballot races. the democrats have allowed themselves to lose control and state houses and governors mansions. that is on the conservatives have worked for a long time to gain power at the state level. i think that is really something to watch in the senate races and how things are getting set up for 2020 and redistricting. >> i notice you didn't mention hillary's choice, which is incredibly important. why there are so much opposition it seems in the democratic party to be against school choice. it could help young inner-city kids. also, sanctuary cities where we have seen -- someone killed in a

sanctuary city by an illegal immigrant who had been deported a number of times. that is something trump talk about. i actually think he did that kind of well talking about these , deaths that have occurred. he wasn't saying at that point he has been talking about deporting everybody. in that moment he was talking about let's focus first and foremost on the dangerous people. i think that was something good of him to say. i'm not there with the whole let's deport them all, but definitely speaking to the idea that we are not effectively policing and protecting our people. guest: he century city issue is one that speaks to a broken immigration system is. that cities must craft their own policy because the federal response is so broken. they are trying to keep families together. if you deaths that have occurred -- both you but are very few. deaths that have occurred are tragic there is little evidence , that is related to the policy

of century cities. on the education front, the voucher question in school choice question is a huge and complicated policy debate to try to put it briefly, the problem with school choice is that not everyone has equal choices. even if he can them all vouchers, not everyone can drive all the way across town to get to the better school. if you're only answer is yes you , now have the privilege to drive a child us were that leaves a certain number of families usually in the poorest and most memorable family still -- vulnerable family still stuck in bad schools. unless you focus on strengthening the public education system you always have a stratified system. >> why couldn't we do both? why couldn't we do the school choice, and also work on helping everyone else? why do we have to not have school choice? guest: because what school choice does is it leeches resources from the schools that needed the most. they are in fact contradictory policies. host: let's turn now to

fairfield connecticut, go ahead. caller: good morning, no offense to the ladies on the show, but all through the campaign we have had, it is coming on tv saying trump is this and that. we have had polls come out claiming one candidate is ahead. during the primaries, the polls wound up being wrong and pundits were wrong. so, in all fairness, why should we be paying attention to your ladies? >> but for a little bit of donald trump's recent remarks here in washington yesterday. this was at the value voter summit this is what he said about social conservatives. [video clip] >> one of the greatest privileges of my journey has been the time i have spent with the evangelical community. and the support they gave me in those primaries was absolutely incredible. [applause]

>> all across the nation. people wondered if i would get the evangelicals. i got the evangelicals. [applause] >> i will make it up to you to, you watch. guest: the polls during the primary did show trump ahead. they didn't quite sure whether he was going to win specific demographic so when that have aspect the caller was correct. this is one poll, and if we do look at them, it is tightening. it is always been kind of close. you can choose to believe polls or not. we found in 2012 a lot of polls were wrong. the polls haven't been that far off for u.s. presidential

elections in recent memory. guest: i don't have too much to add to that. polling is an inexact science. reporting political reporting what people make generalizations based on interviews and some data, it is going to be inexact sometimes too. we do our best. host: here is the latest polling average from real clear policy showing hillary clinton with 45% of the vote and donald trump with 42% of the vote. that leaves hillary clinton with a 2.7% point lead. now the democratic line, tracy go ahead. caller: i want to talk about hillary, the thing that -- i am a supporter with her all the way. the challenge i think that she has is that she is trying to appear presidential and smart and educated while not appearing

to out of control like most people want her to be. as somebody who was a professional woman and was a career woman, it is always this level of where people want you to act but the new want you to stand. i applaud her for always taking the high road in being a lady in professional. trump -- if she is out there spitting and yelling and cussing, the two ladies on this panel would be appalled. i think that this is a double standard. he saw that this week with matt lauer. how he treated her completely differently the way he cowered with trump. you need to go ahead and look at the character of the person. that is a big part of it. let's talk about polling. we all know that the poll is based on who answers the phone in the middle of the day. my phone rings up the book. i don't pay attention to polls,

or all these other networks was that i appreciate the integrity. when it comes to this election people need to get off of the airways. host: all right, that is tracy from virginia we hear you this morning. guest: that is a good point, it is usually some landline not a lot of cell phones. people just don't answer. so, they are difficult to get especially younger voters in on these polls. again, they don't go out to the polls at the same rate. to an earlier point about the way the want hillary to act versus the way she does that is really the case for every politician. we are telling trump your being boorish and awful that he doesn't act that way and we don't pay attention to his speeches then he goes back. whatever will get in that attention.

it is an incentive-based thing. we get that with every politician. guest: kind of, but it is so much clearer with clinton. especially because we can look at her career, east had ropes she has had to walk which was criticized for saying she wasn't going to just sit around baking cookies. i really agree with the caller said, her trying to talk about that, and the different direction she is pulled. i think that doesn't resonate with a lot of female voters. host: let's talk about the relationship with the media. that plays into how they present themselves and how they are perceived by voters. donald trump has been -- has had a more have is a real -- adversarial relationship with the media. he got some news organizations from attending his events. how do you think that has affected his campaign so far? how do you think hillary

clinton's reluctance to engage directly has affected her potential candidacy? guest: they both had trouble with the media. hillary seem to little odd considering so much of the media is more on her side. for her to push them away and not want to speak to them when she does has always been odd. trump banning the media doesn't seem to have done anything. he is still getting tons of airtime. he was still in the primary he got $2 billion worth of free airtime. that was with him banning people. it really didn't affect him in his ability to generate headlines so much. the same thing with hillary, the only problem is neither of them wanted some of the headlines that were generated. guest: i think trump's relationship with the media is

really troubling if it think about him being president. in russia, where there is a much more close attitude towards press freedoms and internet freedoms, and the way he treats journalists is -- you can expect the same from a trumpet -- a trumpet administration. the idea of banning certain journalists and wanted to shut down freedom of speech is a very serious policy. he hasn't stated it as a policy but if you think about it if he continued to act the same way that is very worrisome. on the other hand with clinton, she also has this close attitude towards the press which would also be an issue she were in office. host: now to augusta, georgia, on the republican line, go ahead. caller: i wanted to let miss carpenter know i am a retired sergeant major, ok? women and men have not been

combing gold -- comingled for decades in the combat arms. i want like to know when her candidate in the democratic party is going to explain how they're going to comingle women in tanks and artillery units and infantry units where you must carry 150 pounds on your back to go of a mountain -- up a mountain. guest: i don't know we should ask hillary clinton to make policies about women's physical fitness for the military. i think -- i am confused about the connection between the sexual assault and women's fitness for combat role. those are two separate issues. the sexual assault issue regardless of whether women are integrated in combat, they shouldn't be sexually assaulted. that seems to be clear. host: and georgia, and the democratic line, go ahead.

caller: i have a lot to talk about, number one, to reponds to the gentleman and augustine, the israelis have integrated women just fine into their military. that is not an issue. this race is effectively over barring something catastrophic. i think -- look at the polls every day. i worked in politics as a consultant part-time. it is not about -- this is about the electoral college. if you look at the various states, this race is over because hillary clinton is leading in more than enough states to get 270 electoral college vote it is just that simple. you can discourse about polls tightening, this being a horse race to keep people interested. but, it is over in less hillary really screws up or something comes out that we have not found

out yet up to this point. guest: i agree, the polls we are looking at our national polls. some of the state are pretty close and many seem pretty decided. it is an electoral college so i completely agree. guest: it is still too early to say that it is over. i really am hesitant to call the race because there is time left. there are international events that could happen. it is a question about turnout. who comes out to vote on election day and the early voting before. what happens with voter id laws and who gets access to the ballot, those questions we don't have the answer yet. guest: we are seeing more enthusiasm from a certain sect of trump supporters versus not that much enthusiasm on hillary's side. host: what do you guys think of what happened with footer

-- with voter turnout. will we see lower numbers than we saw in previous presidential elections, or different groups be more represented than they were in previous elections? guest: i -- it is hard to speculate. there are certain groups of voters who are highly motivated. motivated against from pan for hillary clinton, they see her as a role model and sharing some of their concerns. in the working-class white men were motivated for trump and latinos were more motivated against trump. demographics are having motivated. -- certain demographics are highly motivated. it also there are others that are not being spoken to, like the very poor. we hear a lot about the middle class and the white working class. there are black people in the working class as well. there are people not being spoken to. the enthusiasm gap could be greater for them.

guest: we might have a depressed turnout. maybe from 2012 numbers, just because these candidates are so historically disliked. every year we say we hate both of our choices except maybe 2008, but usually this is the best of the parties could do. this year, really seems to be proving that. there are 60-70% dislike. i think possibly we might have another 1992-1996 where the person who becomes president doesn't get 50% of the vote. gary johnson, if he can improve on his 2012 numbers, that is almost likely at this point. host: here is an update on some news all around the voter id laws. the u.s. appeals court on friday blocked an effort by alabama, georgia, and kansas to need proof of citizenship when registering at the polls. which they said disenfranchise certain

voters. the decision strikes down a role that requires the voters in the three states to provide proof that they are u.s. citizens. elsewhere, voters only need to say the our citizens in order to cast a ballot. our next caller is on the democratic line, what is your thought this morning? caller: good morning, ladies. donald trump is a good ol' boy of power and privilege. he should lose because he is a racist. but he won't. he should lose because he is the most incompetent candidate ever to run for president. but he won't. donald trump will lose because he represents instability. after the 2008 crash america has no appetite for instability. you don't know what is going to happen.

guest: that is the general fear with trump. he is being called this -- he is coming around to adopting a few more policies. he has taken to national security policies from the heritage foundation and his list of supreme court justices from the federalist society. he is starting to listen to other groups and kind of get around on to some policies. but, again, obama was also an empty suit back in 2008, but was more firm. i think this remains to be seen. i agree you don't know much of what trump will do. we didn't know what obama would do in 2008, but he could still win. host: how'd you guys rate the performance of the candidate at the nbc commander in chief forum held earlier this week?

what were your impressions of how they did? guest: i thought it was a fairly standard performance for both of them. hillary clinton was calm under pressure and some pretty -- what she probably thought was ridiculous questioning. trump was his usual rambling nonspecific self. what i do want to say about the policy point it is interesting he is just getting them from , standard conservative groups. his ideas are the same conservative ideas with hard for many years. he has this persona of being new and saying what he means but has old ideas. guest: so does hillary when they are standard democratic policies. any candidate will do that. guest: but she is not pretending to be an outsider who radically transform things the way that trump is. guest: right, but do we expect anybody to come in and have these different ideas? everybody will have their parties ideas. guest: it is interesting trump

says he will do that. guest: she says we will change things up in washington and stop the status quo, they all say that. guest: but it is an example of people not pushing trump on his claims about himself and what his presidency would look like. host: how much could anyone that is in the white house could do if congress is indeed divided again? ashe, how have republicans in the senate races and congressional races -- how are they distancing themselves or not from donald trump? guest: some are, some aren't. we sell one end up losing after she endorsed trump. we don't have a lot of examples of them. we can't say if there is any sort of trump virus out there.

whoever is in the white house, if they don't have complete veto proof control of both houses they really aren't going to be able to maneuver a whole lot. obama was able to in his first two years many people didn't like what he was doing during that time that is why republicans came in with the house. they got scott brown in the senate. even if trump wins, he would not have a vetoproof majority. if hillary clinton wins she will not. i'm not sure how much anyone can do anything and come in with these policies but without complete support in the house and senate they won't be able to pass them. guest: with military action, congress is supposed to -- as we've seen, they haven't been willing to step in and assert their authority in that area. guest: obama just went ahead. guest: they declined to vote on authorization on these military force that of the don't want to be on the record on things like that.

the domestic agenda will have a hard time getting through, we tend to forget that these -- the executive does have a lot of control over the international. who is going to be the most judicious use of those considerable powers? host: now, our next caller on the republican line, go ahead. caller: hello? i want to say, i am one of them good ol' boys. did you hear bill clinton the other night spewing hate towards southern people? guest: i didn't did you want to explain what you are referring to? caller: what i am referring to is you said they gloss over like people's lives don't matter. maybe when it happens to your family, you said, yes you did,

like it doesn't matter. basically, like clinton, we want -- innocent people you go there weren't many people that died. one life is enough for me, lady. guest: i do think those lines are tragic. i didn't but only to suggest that they don't matter. they do matter. we need to be careful about sorting out what actually caused such deaths. and what the policies are for. it is also tragic when children who are u.s. citizens lose parents to deportation. i am not trying to weigh lives here to say one is more important than another, but compassion doesn't have to be limited to a certain sector of the people that live here in this country. guest: the people better than deported departed for violent

crimes for the ones killing people may be them and try not to break up the families. they are two separate -- guest: there were mistakes that were made. that man should not have been released. the problems, the failing to the system worked because it was a century city. there were mistakes that were made. to say that it was because of the century city -- -- sanctuary city is inaccurate. caller: hi, ladies. host: good morning. caller: i want to speak on some and that is very important. to the core of our problem trump talks about getting children in school which is fine. how will these poor communities get their kids over to the

charter school? even in the white, appellation states. that, we forget that equal opportunity in education is the start. how will they get -- host: zoe? guest: education is an issue many people care about. that is on the hillary clinton has been running pretty strong on. this issue of how you get more support into the school struggling is a really tricky one. part of it is the way we fund our schools so that areas that have a lower tax base a less money for their schools. it is set in the schools up to be unequal, essentially. and, schools do more than just provide education. that is what gets lost in this discussion post on having one in your neighborhood there are other benefits to that besides

just 8:00 a.m. to three clock p.m. education. there's neighborhood cohesion and things like that. guest: i think he brings up a good point which zoe brought up early which is how do we get some of the poorest students to the better schools. that is something politicians who talk about school choice are going to have to address. whether you will want to somehow create more funding or programs or figuring out how to use public transportation if a parent is comfortable sending their child that way. some are, some aren't. maybe, mobilizing some volunteer groups of parents who do have the time. just trying to come up with ways that we can have school choice for everybody. host: in ohio is our next caller on the republican line, good morning. caller: first of all, both of

these women on here -- i heard them say about the uneducated white male and the educated women. my wife is educated with a college degree, she is voting for trump. i have a college degree, i am voting for trump. now, i want to make a point here. you had a black man call up recently just a few minutes ago talking about how trump is racist. it is like if i started calling names to hillary you'd immediately hang up on me. why did you let this stuff go on for the other candidate? he is not racist. as for as the schools go, my children went to public school. both of them ended up going to college, both ended up getting graduate degrees.

many other students in that same school are whining right now about they do not get a proper education. maybe if their parents went to the meetings with the parent-teacher conferences, maybe if they went home and did their homework they would have got the same education that my kids did in a public school. their parents were there. their parents were there. host: youngstown, ohio. guest: i do not believe i said anything about uneducated white men, but i do think it is important to note that not every educated white woman is for hillary clinton. we talk about maybe a majority are but not everyone in every block. there is hispanic people for trump, there are blacks who are for trump.

there are educated white women who are not for hillary and maybe for trump. when we talk about these blocks, it is a generalization. as this college has demonstrated, it is not everybody. host: that is the danger with this type of political commentary is that we may generate test generalities based on data points. for efficiency sake we have to do that and we have to look at trends but there are of course variations and different life experiences that direct their preference is. host: there is an upcoming presidential debate. how do you think that could change the momentum of the race? what do you expect to see from the candidates? guest: in 2012, the very first debate was clearly mitt romney's when people were not expecting that. obama came off thinking he had won because the media has always been in his pocket so it did not

seem like he needed to do a whole lot, and he turned it back around the next couple of debates and ended out -- ended up pulling out the election. we have such a low bar for trump that if he just coasts through it it is going to look like he has done very well whereas hillary clinton, there is a much higher bar for her to overcome whatever trump says to her. i think it is going to be very difficult in that first debate for hillary to win it. >> attractive questions about what experience you have to be president, i think he will appear much stronger because he has that naturally at ease report with the press.

if questions were asked and follow-up questions were asked, i think hillary will shine a lot more because for example if trump says, i have a secret plan to defeat isis, of course he is not going to give us the secret plan but the moderate -- the moderator can ask about the plan. how many pages as it, who helps you develop it, and what are the implications? is things that he says which are hard to fact check because they are such ok claims. host: charlotte from new orleans, louisiana on the democrat line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. following the obama administration the past couple of years, it seems like it has been one nightmare after another. one strange movie.

you have james comey going in, doing this investigation, finding all these things that she did wrong and come out to say that he did not find anything. obama is letting all these immigrants come in. i think hillary clinton is being forced to run for president because he has taken all this money from all these other countries. host: at the charlotte from new orleans, louisiana. let's turn to indianapolis, indiana from brent on the republican line. caller: i appreciate you taking my call. i would just like to say these two young girls that you have on your show, i would like to relay a message to them and express my opinion to them.

donald trump, there may be -- if donald trump is victorious, there will only be, there is a lot of people who will not feel that way. but if donald trump is defeated we will all be defeated. we are all, man, woman, child -- host: why will we all be defeated if donald trump were to lose the race? caller: because we will not have the inner cities rebuilt. we will not have, we will not have the inner businesses rejuvenated through lower taxes.

host: brent from indiana. guest: i wonder where c-span found these young girls to be on their panel. what the caller seemed to be saying was that the promise of a trump presidency would be quite hard to realize with his policies, are they going to have it? that is in some ways a weakness that he has but some people do not care about the specifics. guest: i am not sure that is what he was saying. he was saying if trump lost we would lose the lower taxes and the ability for businesses to thrive. if hillary won then we would not have low taxes. we would not have the ability for businesses to rebound. regardless of what the unemployment number is, which is a lot of -- a lot to do with people dropping out of the workforce, people still do not

feel like we have fully recovered from the 2008 recession. i think he may have been speaking more to the ability of businesses to continue trying to get out of that and if hillary were to win, it would be much more difficult for them to do so. host: rhonda from freehold, new jersey on the democratic line. caller: good morning, america. i hope everybody is doing fine. i would just like to make a comment about trump's speech on his immigration reform plan. it was the most racist speech i have ever heard in my life. host: why did you feel that way? caller: because it appeals to my soul. when he talked about these dreamers not being able to become citizens of the united

states when they went to school here and college and fight in our war, it just broke my heart because this is not who we are as americans. this man terrifies me. guest: i think the dreamer issue, it is one that i kind of struggle with, with following the laws versus these children. they knew growing up they were citizens and it does become difficult but when he think of funding, it is a little bit difficult. i disagree that trump's speech, especially that night was incredibly racist, but she can have her opinion. guest: i think this is one of the central debates we are having, the politics of divisiveness versus the politics of inclusion and that is the difference between the two campaigns. can we be creative enough in our policymaking and work hard enough to be a country that

continues to welcome immigrants as we have since the very beginning of this country? or do we have to drive people out and do we really not have space for certain groups of people? that is one of the big questions. guest: both candidates are definitely alienating people. hillary clinton says that her favorite energy -- favorite enemy is republicans so is she not going to govern for 50% of the population? she recently called trump supporters "a basket of deplorable's." how is that going to help heal the country? host: we spent a lot of time this morning talking about hillary clinton and donald trump but another presidential candidate eight some news. gary johnson -- made some news. gary johnson, hear his a tweet -- here is a tweet he sent out after his interview.

how much influence will gary johnson have on this election? could this incident actually provide a boost to at least his name recognition? guest: i think it provides a boost to his name recognition. in certain states it appears he is getting some support, i do not know if it is away from trump, but people who would normally vote for the republican candidate. in utah i think he has something like 20%. that number is not exact but it is a surprisingly large margin of support. it varies state-by-state but in areas where traditionally republican voters are off put, he will do better than expected. guest: he could pull some hillary support as well. there is still a lot of bernie sanders supporters that are not

happy with that and may not see jill stein as a viable second option. to speak to gary johnson's club, i feel like a whole lot of the electorate probably also did not know much about aleppo so he might've connected to them. he addressed it, he did not double down, he did not get combative. he said, i made a mistake and that was dumb and now i'm going to read up on it, which is not something we can expect from hillary or trump to admit. hillary continues to eventually say she made a mistake in her e-mail and yet she does not want to answer questions about it. she becomes very combative when asked about it. does anybody really think if trump said something wrong he would say, my bad, i will read up on it. gary johnson handled it in a way that was refreshing for presidential candidates. host: surely -- shirley is on

the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. what i want to talk about is mr. trump. he has so many good points here that i hope that people in the united states wake up before it is too late. there is just too many to talk about. first of all it is the obamacare and let's talk about that. you might as well say that is done, we are done without. then you have got education. he is talking about the voucher system. you have children and they graduate during seventh and eighth grade work -- graduate doing seventh and eighth grade work, the schools are not up to their potential. kids are graduating and they cannot even make change in a store. that is a shame. with vouchers, if your kids are

not doing good in one school you have the option of taking them out and putting them into a school or maybe they will be able to get their education. host: that is surely from pennsylvania. let's hear from one more caller and we will have our guests respond. john calling from silver spring, maryland on the democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. it is mind-boggling. i am not blaming donald trump what is going on, i am blaming the media. when you are not asking the candidate direct questions and answer the question that you are asking, it is going to be a mess. i am watching the last debate thursday night and he is asking direct questions. and this man is walking away about the question. the reality is this -- donald trump, he lies about when he says he sent investigators to

hawaii to find barack obama's birth certificate, which turned out to be a lie. he said something about 9/11 muslims were celebrating in new jersey. we find out that is a lie. he is insulting megyn kelly, insulting the pope. we are talking about hillary clinton's e-mails but this man day in and day out everything that comes from his mouth is lies. host: that is john from maryland. as the media been doing its job so far this campaign season? guest: there are people doing their job and people letting trump slide. i will say that trump has gotten a lot of free passes throughout the primaries, all that free coverage and with softball questioning. host: one last caller, lisa from blue hills, west virginia on the republican line. caller: i would first like to say good morning to these -- the

strong women panel, instead of girls. what i wanted to say about trump, i have been a republican since i was old enough to vote when i turned 18. this will be the first time that i vote for a democrat because i cannot bring myself to vote for a pathological liar who might possibly get us in the next war. i have got grandchildren who are coming up and i have got to think about their future. you have to have someone capable in the white house. as far as the e-mails, it is a nonstarter for me because i know what she was doing. she did not want her private life captured on state servers. if i was in her position, i would not have wanted my private life out there either. host: that was lisa from west

virginia. guest: it was more than just her private life she did not want on the servers, but i understand her frustration and i know there's a lot of republicans who do not want to vote for trump for many reasons. i am not sure whether hillary clinton is not going to get us into any wars. if she tried what she tried on libya and yemen, they were both kind of failures so i'm not sure that she would not -- she has made the promise not to put boots on the ground and i'm not sure she can actually promise that between what happens between now and then. i would not set my hopes on hillary not starting another war. host: thank you guys also much for joining us this morning.